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Topic:  Open Forum

Stardate 10304.25
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Host Beth says:
Okay everyone ready?

Kooky says:
ready

Bob is away: making dinner

GregC says:
yes

Host Beth says:
I want to welcome everyone to the second Open Forum of Themed Chat....

Jane says:
He's making us dinner?  How sweet...

Cathy says:
Ready

Host Beth says:
So who has something they want to talk about?

Cathy says:
::would like a steak::

Kooky says:
Who's cooking?

Jane says:
Bob

Pam says:
with mushrooms

Jane says:
yummm....

Kooky says:
ooooo ...

Cathy says:
::prefers onions::

Bob says:
Bob already had dinner.... Schwan's Shimp Stirfry

Ted says:
Don't forget the baked potato

Pam says:
little roasted potatoes

GregC says:
hold the fungus, please

Maryanne says:
the fungus is the best part.

Jane says:
Bob's Dinner

Jane says:
Diner

GregC says:
naaa

Kooky says:
And a side of greens

Host Beth says:
Okay guys you are killing me here....I'm starving....:)  So please for the sake of my rumbling tummy...how about something else?

Jane says:
hummm....

Pam says:
speaking of dinner......does anyone here use the cook on their ship or just the replicators?

Kooky says:
replicators here

Host Beth says:
Both

Jane says:
We have a cook?

Jane says:
::looks at Cathy::

Trish says:
both

Kooky says:
::looks at Cathy too:: Jane: What has she been hiding from us?

Cathy says:
We do :)

Maryanne says:
Enterprise has a chef.

Ted says:
Both

Bob says:
we tried to get Nelix, but he wouldn't transfer.. he said, "One Intrepid Class ship in a lifetime was plenty."

Maryanne says:
but I don't think our ships have cooks.

Cathy says:
Ours does, I swear.

Jane says:
Some pot bellied guy in a filthy apron I bet...

Cathy says:
He helped Gunther make us sick that time.......

Kooky says:
hee ... We have the cook from Down Periscope!

Host Beth says:
We have a mess chief for the enlisted that likes to make home made desserts and a chef for diplomats

Trish says:
we have a chef... tempermental little critter! <G>

Cathy says:
We can top you all. We have a Tribble for our TO. ;p

Maryanne says:
Not sure I want a critter cooking for me

Kooky says:
Actually she was our MO last week :)

Jane says:
The tribble FCOed once too

Cathy says:
She's multitalented.

Kooky says:
hee

Jane says:
jumps around on the consoles....

Maryanne says:
ACTD Food Network

Trish says:
hehehe Mare!  he is a tempermental Betazoid

Pam says:
lol

Cathy says:
She's great :)

Trish says:
how many have turned in recipes for the cookbook?

Maryanne says:
not I

Pam says:
not I

Trish says:
I kept getting my email back

Jane says:
Yeah.. what's that all about?

Cathy says:
Me neither.

Maryanne says:
mine are all secrets

Kooky says:
Me either

Kooky says:
I don't have any recipes ..

Trish says:
I sent in two recipes, to the addy Trish2 gave in the ngs

Host Beth says:
::uses this as a shameless plug::  Just what I was going to say Trish....anyone going to turn in recipes for the cookbook?

Ted says:
I have an idea of what recipe to send just haven't done it yet

Pam says:
mine too Mare, so secret that even I don't know them

Maryanne says:
Hi Kev

Kooky says:
brb ... I hear a kitten screaming ...

Maryanne says:
Hi Chris and Jackie, and Bill

KevNash says:
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Bill says:
hey hey

Jane says:
I guess the recipe book is a hot topic.  ::watches everyone rush in::

Trish says:
wow! everyone from the lounge has come in!

kate says:
:)

Cathy says:
Wow.......

Maryanne says:
more in here than in the lounge

Cathy says:
They got lonely:)

Pam says:
::passes out the popcorn::

CJ-Tala says:
Yep... :)

Trish says:
only cause we don't have the bot Mare!

Jane says:
We need a hot topic

Host Beth says:
Well this is good because it let's me bring up a subject that I was actually interested in hearing people's views on.

Maryanne says:
But we do have Beth :)

Jane says:
Go Beth!

Jane says:
::listens::

Host Beth says:
Does anyone here think that there should be a limit on the inter species characters that have been cropping up lately?

Trish says:
not only yes but h*ll yes!

Pam says:
limit as in?

Jane says:
That's interesting... I mean what are the odds that species from different planets are genetically compatible

CJ-Tala says:
Pam: As in what species can be crossed, and how many times...

Trish says:
species that could not possibly mate!

Cathy says:
Ah....you mean the crossbreeding.

Host Beth says:
We've seen combinations that would boggle the mind :)  Remembers a 1/4 Klingon/1/4Romulan 1/4 Vulcan 1/4 Betazoid

CJ-Tala says:
Jane: If you went by that - then the chances of half of the cross breeds in ST (canon) wouldn't be possible...

Pam says:
well some are just not genetically possible

Trish says:
I have another word for it Cathy <EG>

Jane says:
True enough Chris

CJ-Tala says:
Pam: Where's the proof either way?

Cathy says:
That one is stretching it.

Cathy says:
Really, Trish? ::looks innocent::

CJ-Tala says:
I can see 1/2 and 1/2, if it's explained well...but not 3 or 4 species...especially ones that have only been contacted recently...

Trish says:
::gets out her duct tape::

KevNash says:
That would presuppose the very taboo Genetic Engineering (Euginics).

Kooky says:
back

Maryanne says:
wb

Trish says:
wb

Cathy says:
I prefer purity ;p

Kooky says:
ty

Maryanne says:
Species purity......bah

Host Beth says:
And I will admit..I am guilty of cross breeding in my main character...she is 1/2 Klingon and 1/2 Betazoid

Jane says:
But it's fun putting different species characteristics together and seeing what happens...

Kooky says:
so what are we talking about?

Trish says:
::pokes Mares then gets the water hose after her::

Cathy says:
But actually, I have found that most people play half breeds in an effort to gain as many special "powers" as they can.

CJ-Tala says:
Long ago there were things that said people of different cultures shouldn't cross breed - but look at now. WHo's to say in 400 years that just won't be another step...

Maryanne says:
::activates her water shielding::

KevNash says:
Half and half is possible, but quarters common.

CJ-Tala says:
Beth: That's plausible. We know you can have a Klingon/Terran and a Betazoid/Terran, so why not a Betazoid/Klingon?

Cathy says:
I mean purity in my own characters, Mare. I like to really get to know a species.

Trish says:
::pushes her down on Jan's couch and proceeds to douse her::

CJ-Tala says:
Cathy: What about us that play half breeds just for the fun of it? I had a Vulcan/Betazoid and I had a great time playing on how his heratige conflicted...

Maryanne says:
Cathy, same here.  I pick what I know, and its human.

Kooky says:
Chris: That could be fun ... an empathic warrior unable to control his/her tamper ...

Bill says:
To me, the species isn't as important as the way you define your own character.  In a way, it kind of sets the guidelines or boundaries.

Maryanne says:
::laughs mightly at Trish as she stay dry and Jan's couch get a good cleaning::

Cathy says:
::nods:: Chris, I've just found that people like you tend to be rare.

Trish says:
::same as always Mare <G>::

CJ-Tala says:
Cathy: But if corss breeding isn't allowed, then even people like me can't do that...

Host Beth says:
Hehe...Kooky:  I always tell people that she will kill you in a heartbeat but feel really, really bad about it afterwards.

Jane says:
LOL

Kooky says:
hehe!

KevNash says:
Beth, I bet it dirves her nuts sometimes. LOL

Trish says:
her who?

Host Beth says:
Trish my character K'Beth

Maryanne says:
Bill, I think you hit the nail on the head

Kooky says:
A char who is klingon/betazoid ...

Cathy says:
I didn't say it should be banned, Chris. Just controlled,

Trish says:
sure it wasn't his finger?

CJ-Tala says:
I've made two half Breeds, a Trill/Rigelian (which can be justified) and a Vulcan/Betazoid...I don't see what's wrong with it. I know one player who has a Mizarian/Takarian...and while it may seem odd, he explained it very well...

Trish says:
::grabs Bills hand, and checks his ffingers:: a YUP Mare, there it is right there, a blue thumb!

Maryanne says:
50-50 is acceptable, its the 1/3, and 1/4 that are killers.

Host Beth says:
Bill: That is a good point but what about some of the characters that are being created simply to create 'super powers'?  Like mighty telepaths that can read entire enemy ship crews?

Bill says:
Through my spells in ACTD, I've always used the same character.  The psychology of an ordinary human is every bit as exciting (or has as great a potential to develop) as a character that supposedly comes from more than one background.

Trish says:
amen

Kooky says:
I have one char who is human ... the other ... well she is a half-half :)

Trish says:
my first char was Beta/Vulcan because I admire both races

Bill says:
Beth: Exactly.  If you're using multiple species for that purpose, then you're going about those characters the wrong way.

CJ-Tala says:
Bill: At the same time though, in my point of view (I understand where you're coming from), this is a role playing game, and I'd like to play a role that isn't necessarily a male human...

CJ-Tala says:
Beth: That's something that needs to be controlled by the SMs...

Kooky says:
Chris: You could always play a female human ... <GD&RLH>

Maryanne says:
Some males have played female characters and vice versa

Dawn says:
This is the main reason I make all my characters full human.  no cross bred characters for me

Jane says:
Sure... I'm a female playing a male character of a different species....

CJ-Tala says:
Sandy: I've played a female Kriosian, female Trill and a female Trill/Rigelian... :)

Cathy says:
Jane plays a male.

Bill says:
Tala: The ability to play those different species and genders is true asset of ACTD.  However, you can't be rolling thorugh the Star Trek encyclopedia just to give your one character telepathic abilities and superhuman strength, for instance.

CJ-Tala says:
Bill: But some people don't want to do that, and if you make blanket restrictions, you're cutting out a lot of really great role playing.

Kooky says:
None of my characters have "superhuman" powers ... no telepathy or anything like that

KevNash says:
Just think of the mix if Cardies were an allowed race.

Cathy says:
Soem characters have been created just to become "superman".

Host Beth says:
Let's take a count here: How many here have or have had a cross-breed character? ::raises her own hand::

Maryanne says:
we had cardies as charcters

CJ-Tala says:
My current character is a Haliian, and yes they are telepaths, but I don't use it as a "super-power," it's just something he has if the need arises...

Bill says:
Tala: I'm not saying there should be blanket restrictions for this.  There should be some guidelines for the usage of multiple species.

Kooky says:
::raises her hand::

CJ-Tala says:
::Raises hand::

Ted says:
A character should develope and grow from who they are, not what powers they have.  That is the essence of role playing

Trish says:
me

Jane says:
::raises hand::

Pam says:
me

Bill says:
Right on, Ted.

Jane says:
That's was beautifully said Ted.

CJ-Tala says:
Bill: In my mind at least, those are the same thing - when you start restricting things, you're cutting out options...

Cathy says:
That's the way I'd play it, Chris.

Cathy says:
Very well said.

Pam says:
my Sheridan character rarely used her empathic/telepathic senses because it gave her severe headaches

CJ-Tala says:
Well said Ted - but at the same time, these species were created to show a diversity in the Star Trek universe. I have a peeve about the thought that "everyone in Starfleet is human." The Federation has 150 members...that's 150 races that could potentially be on a Federation Starship...

Jane says:
my 1/2 betazoid is just empathic enough to have vague feelings that don't seem to be her on...

Pam says:
the result in altered DNA sequencing

Jane says:
ah..

Cathy says:
I have actually never chosen to play a telepath.

Jane says:
I like being an empath...

Jane says:
different thing altogether

CJ-Tala says:
The Vulcan/Betazoid character I had...I think I used his telepathic abilities two times tops in the year and a half that I played him...

Maryanne says:
I had a telepathic character, she started out as an NPC and grew into a real member of the crew.

Host Beth says:
My character uses her telepathic abilities to create mental shields...mainly to keep her pesky twin brother from reading her mind when they were younger :)

Cathy says:
Thats a lot of races. I just think that when you take into consideration the genetic factor........

Cathy says:
But as I said earlier, I'm not against it, just for limitations.

CJ-Tala says:
Cathy: Agreed, but we already know Trills, Klingons, Betazoid, Terrans and Vulcans can all cross breed. It's unrealistic I know, but you can't really pick and chose what can be allowed...

CJ-Tala says:
Cathy: What sort of limits would have in mind?

Jane says:
canon limits?

Cathy says:
::can imagine a players who is 1/16 Vulcan, an 1/8 Betazoid.......and so on::

Bill says:
Tala: There's a bigger picture here, though.  By eliminating some of the choice in character creation (1/4 races, etc), you're preserving the integrity of the game.

Tara says:
Is everyone in this one in Fleetyard??

Cathy says:
Canon limits for those we know about.

Bill says:
It becomes silly when people are using races fo rspecial options.  I'm not saying everyone does it, but some overuse it.

Jane says:
It's a themed chat, Tara.  We have a topic

Maryanne says:
Night all ::waves::

Kooky says:
Nite Mare

Cathy says:
Perhaps limiting to 2 species?

Tara says:
Oh do you

Ted says:
I'm not saying that there should be no interspecies relations.  But SO_Smith should develope because of his knowlege not his bloodline

Tara says:
what is the topic

CJ-Tala says:
Cathy: That, I would say is too much...50/50 is okay...but if you cut out the races we don't know about, you're cutting the game way down...

Jane says:
watch, listen and see.....

CJ-Tala says:
Ted: Agreed...

Cathy says:
You misunderstand me, Chris.

CJ-Tala says:
Cathy: That I can agree with...

Host Beth says:
Tara: The topic is should cross bred characters be limited in ACTD.

CJ-Tala says:
Sorry, I probably am...

Cathy says:
I mean making sure we keep the canon genetics we know about. Otherwise, the 1/2 and 1/2 limit.

Cathy says:
I'm not foe limiting the actual species.

CJ-Tala says:
Ah, okay - that I can see, yeah.

CJ-Tala says:
Okay. :)

Cathy says:
:)

Host Beth says:
All right let's expand this a bit since we seem to be hedging around this topc...now that the Dominon war is over and the politics have changed a bit...should the species database be expanded to allow other species that before were not sanctioned?

Bill says:
Such as?

CJ-Tala says:
On one of my ships we have a telepathic Romulan/Bajoran/Terran officer...everyone thinks it's obsurd. I can see 1/2's, and have no problem with it...but some things do go too far.

Jane says:
ah... the series is in limbo...

Jane says:
do we move beyond canon now?

CJ-Tala says:
Such as Cardassians, Jem'hadar, etc...

Kooky says:
The ROmulans ...

Host Beth says:
Maybe even previously borgafied characters since Voyager has come home and shown that they can be integrated back into society

Trish says:
why not?

Ted says:
But Jem'hadar brings up the question of controlling genetically engineered beings

CJ-Tala says:
Personally - I feel the limits are fine as they are. Romulans I could see being allowed, Dominion and Breen, etc, I would be worried about - but again that's just my opinion.

Cathy says:
Cardassians are not allowed?

Jane says:
oooh... Beth... that might be cool....

Kooky says:
nope

CJ-Tala says:
Full Cardassians are, I believe...

CJ-Tala says:
If not, then half Cardies are.

Cathy says:
::nods:: We had one on the Pen, so that threw me.

Kooky says:
Half-Cardies are allowd

Bill says:
Jem'hadar should not be for sure.  They are genetically engineered to serve the Dominion, and the Dominion only.  It would be over the edge to place them in a Starfleet uniform.

Jane says:
The Pen's was a CIV though.

CJ-Tala says:
Jane/Beth: That might be cool, but then you'd have players going insane...

Cathy says:
She was full.

Tara says:
I think Cardassians should be aloud in here I think everyone should be

Jane says:
Players going insane?  In ACTD?

CJ-Tala says:
I know one character on a ship who was partially assimilate in a mission, supposedly now he has super strength in one arm...

Kooky says:
ELeah: I think you misunderstand ... we're talking about allowable races for characters in the game ...

GregC says:
thought insanity was required

Kooky says:
It is!@

CJ-Tala says:
Jane: Sorry, not that "insane," but just over doing it, just like the 1/4 races...

Tara says:
What does that mean then

Host Beth says:
But the Jem'Hadar has been shown to be able to turn against the Dominion if they had another source of the 'white'

Cathy says:
True.

Host Beth says:
so  why not turn to Starfleet?

Trish says:
and there are no females

Jane says:
I was joking Chris.  :)

Kooky says:
Hi Scott

CJ-Tala says:
Beth: The question is, what happened after the Dominion war? Did they leave? Did the Dominion tighten their grip on the Breen and the Jem'hadar...we have no way of knowing.

Host Beth says:
Chris: there would have to be limits of course...no super strength or super mind powers...

Bill says:
Beth: Legions of Starfleet officers who we control with drugs?  Doesn't sound too good...  =)

Cathy says:
Hi scott

Tara says:
:: Sits and watches doesn't understand a thing about what they are talking about::

CJ-Tala says:
Jane: I know - just figured I'd clarify. LOL

Cathy says:
There are just some species I would find hard to play. They are one of them.

CJ-Tala says:
Beth: But then you'd have people going "well Seven of nine could walk though shields, why can't I?"

Tara says:
Are we talking about Voyagers or what?

Host Beth says:
We have that now for other species :)

Tara says:
misunderstands

ScottB says:
Find another sim org then

Tara says:
=(

Host Beth says:
Tara...we're talking about all of the shows and movies :)

Jane says:
It comes down to canon though... if we are going to go beyond canon for this, then why not for ships as well?

Tara says:
Oh okay

Tara says:
I get it

CJ-Tala says:
Jane: Agree...interbreeding I can see, but going beyond what we know is risky...

CJ-Tala says:
<Agreed>

Tara says:
I agree with what you are saying

Cathy says:
Canon has worked for us so far.

Jane says:
Besides, isn't it just earthlings who have a problem with genetic engineering?

CJ-Tala says:
It would be like opening up a pair of flood gates...we'd get the members, but we'd lose our integrity as a game...

Tara says:
Not all earthling but the ones in the shows yes

Cathy says:
::agrees with Chris::

Host Beth says:
How about the genetically enhanced humans like Dr. Bashir?  Would that be acceptable?

CJ-Tala says:
Jane: It hasn't really been said - the only problem is, they always had a problem with genetic engineering, but they had no problems with using it to fix B'lanna's baby - where do you draw the line? (But that's for another debate entirely)

ScottB says:
Dunno if this was asked as I just walked in... But what do people want out of us? More players, or better gaming, which inherently can cause us to p* off some and we actually LOSE members.

ScottB says:
?

Tara says:
I think it would be

Jane says:
That would be an interesting debate in itself Chris.

CJ-Tala says:
Beth: I would say he has to be considered a rarity, like Odo, Data, Seven of Nine, etc.

CJ-Tala says:
Jane: We may have found a new topic for upcoming weeks. ;) LOL

Jane says:
More players Scott.

Cathy says:
I vote for better gaming.

Jane says:
Can't we have both?

Jane says:
:)

CJ-Tala says:
I would prefer better gaming...

Cathy says:
::laughs::

CJ-Tala says:
We can try... ;) LOL

Kooky says:
So would I Chris

Trish says:
I think the major races that are in Trek should be allowed.. I would love to see Romulans

ScottB says:
There's a problem with people constantly pointing to the TV shows. Producers are writing for glitz. Of *course* they're going to write for the "exceptions to the rule"

Pam says:
define better gaming

Tara says:
I think that all people in these movies and shows should be good in real life

CJ-Tala says:
Pam: ie, keeping true to the genre, staying canon, keeping things as realistic, but fun as possible.

Kooky says:
I have a char that's half-Romulan ... she's a lot of fun to play with all the conflicts between her two cultures ...

Tara says:
Is leaving

Host Beth says:
Night Tara

Bob says:
if you remember, there was quite a controversy (and mostly negative) about Bashir's enhancements, along with the others.... to I'd assume there's still some "moreys" about that sort of thing

ScottB says:
There was badgering about the Paris Duo "fixing up" their baby

Jane says:
But Scott.. Isn't ACTD's difference its adherence to canon.... there are lots of other RPGs out there.

ScottB says:
You just validated my point

Kooky says:
I think it's adherence to canon makes it more realistic ... my humble opinion of course :)

ScottB says:
What do you want, quality or quantity, seeing as how there are so many others out there?

CJ-Tala says:
I can see the odd exception to the rule, but if we start allowing it, will have an "exception" in every second spot in the game...

Jane says:
Okay.... my head is spinning now.  ;)

CJ-Tala says:
Quality.

Cathy says:
I think its also the reason why we are all still here.

Kooky says:
definitely quality

Jane says:
Quality....

ScottB says:
You voted for quantity earlier. :)

GregC says:
quality

Host Beth says:
Ahhh..that wonderful word 'canon' :)  Let's play devil's advocate here:  What exactly does 'canon' mean? ::would like to see what others think it means::

Cathy says:
She didn't understand your question earlier, me thinks :)

Ted says:
Quality

Bill says:
'night all

CJ-Tala says:
Scott: Don't confuse her more then she is...LOL

Jane says:
But we need to bring players in to keep it quality

Trish says:
ok, why aren't Romulans considered Canon?  How many episodes in all the movies and series are they IN?

ScottB says:
They're canon being in the universe.

Kooky says:
B/c for most they were the enemy, Trish :)

ScottB says:
They're not canon as being Fed-friendly

Trish says:
so are the Klingon!

ScottB says:
Klingon/Fed treaty

Kooky says:
not in TNG they're not

CJ-Tala says:
What we've seen on screen, or has been released "officially" by Paramount and it's writers. It's the stuff we can get ahold of that we know is true to what the producers etc. place their name on.

Trish says:
supposedly they were our friends during the Dominion war... has it changed?

ScottB says:
that was temporary

ScottB says:
for mutual benefit

CJ-Tala says:
Trish: It was a convenience thing - from Nemesis we know they're still on shaky ground.

Kooky says:
They allied themselves during the Dominion War ... but they never actually signed a co-operation treaty with the Federation

Trish says:
and I saw nothing that said they reverted to "enemies"

KevNash says:
In Nemisis it changed, but those were Remuns.

CJ-Tala says:
You can't easily brush 300 years of mis trust away in 2 years...

Ted says:
Yes like their lending Sisko a cloaking device for the Defiant

CJ-Tala says:
Kevin: Yes, but they still spoke of how they didn't trust the Romulans...

Cathy says:
::never saw Nemesis so refrains from comment::

CJ-Tala says:
They didn't know it was the Remans to start with.

Jane says:
It will be out on DVD soon.

Kooky says:
::never saw Nemesis either::

Pam says:
later all

Cathy says:
That's good. I'll borrow it from work.

CJ-Tala says:
Trish: They don't have ot be enemies...but look at with the Klingons. There was 80 years between the Khitomer Accords and before the first SF officer (Riker) served on a Klingon ship...

Host Beth says:
Thank you Chris....that's a good explanation so now we come to something that has puzzled a few people I know: Things were not the same from TV show to TV show or from episode to espisode or from the TV shows to the movies...so which one do we pick?

CJ-Tala says:
Whatever we deem the most plausible - it's hard to do, but it needs to be done.

ScottB says:
the one that makes the most sense

Trish says:
to whom Scott?

ScottB says:
That's how it is with most everything in the game now. We've surpassed canon. It's what *makes sense*

Host Beth says:
Ajhhhh...but makes sense to whom?

Cathy says:
Ah....but sense to whom?

Ted says:
Why not make it the decision of the other characters on each ship?

ScottB says:
To a general consensus

CJ-Tala says:
ASDB has been doing that for 2 years now - taking conflicting evidence and boiling it down to what makes the most sense...

Bob says:
good luck with THAT

Jane says:
A general consensus of who?

ScottB says:
Because that's unfair to the other 40 ships

Host Beth says:
And how do we get that general consensus?

Bob says:
later all

Trish says:
then ask your player base

Host Beth says:
Night Bob

ScottB says:
The people who have the time and the knowledge to track everything and make some generalized conclusion from the whole morass of Trek

Jane says:
He's still in the yard...being awesome...

CJ-Tala says:
A random selection of players, say one player per ship selected at random...set up a commit, have them duke it out.

Kooky says:
How about this then ... if a person wants to create a character that might be debatable they submit it for approval before creating the character ...

Jane says:
A committee to approve characters?

CJ-Tala says:
Sandy: Doesn't everyone have to submit their character for approval?

ScottB says:
oh god...

Kooky says:
perhaps

Cathy says:
But wouldn't it then come down to one person?

ScottB says:
::hits head on table::

Trish says:
that is what Jafo used to do

ScottB says:
he still does

CJ-Tala says:
Jane: A committee to determine what we deem "canon."

Cathy says:
::puts a pillow on the table::

CJ-Tala says:
Trish: He still has to...

Jane says:
It would be a never ending committee...

Host Beth says:
Kooky: So if I say I want to create a CIV character that was a borgified betazoid....I could submit it for review?

ScottB says:
::hitting head on table multiple times::

Kooky says:
Then that way what is considered "Canon" could be determined game-wide ...

Jane says:
::watches Scott with interest::

CJ-Tala says:
Jane: Isn't that was ASDB? Re-writing and revising...

Trish says:
Jane, he needs a therapist

Cathy says:
::watches as the table strikes back::

Jane says:
Don't look at me!

Host Beth says:
Scott: that's why this chat is here...for everyone to express their comments and propose ideas....doesn't mean it will or won't happen :)

Trish says:
speaking with a fellow counselor Jane, what is the current therapy for megalomania?

CJ-Tala says:
I know people don't like committees, but I do. They take time, but ultimately they get things done... :) Just my odd opinions again. LOL

Kooky says:
Beth: You couldn't do that anyway as the Borg (any part of the Borg) is not allowed anyway ...

ScottB says:
::shrug::

Cathy says:
Poor Scott. Never fear the powerless :)

Jane says:
drop him off in a third world country Trish...

Trish says:
LOLOL

CJ-Tala says:
Welcome Sparky.

KevNash says:
wb Dawn

Dawn says:
thx

ScottB says:
But then people will say "why aren't they allowed?"

Trish says:
Hi Dawn

Cathy says:
wb Dawn

Host Beth says:
wb :)

Dawn says:
My puter froze so I had to reboot

Cathy says:
People will always question authority.

Host Beth says:
::chuckles:: Scott: they already do :)

ScottB says:
Hence the committee, re-reviews, and the odd concept that I can't explain other than to say 
"does it make sense???"

CJ-Tala says:
Scott: Then the reason gets explained - I'm sure Bryan has had to deal with that on many 
occasions.

Cathy says:
Its what makes us humans.

Kooky says:
The thing is ... there is a database of what is and is not allowed ...

CJ-Tala says:
Sandy: The thing they're saying is, why can't we expand that database, and if we do, where do we stop?

ScottB says:
It's not the "pure" specific races that we have problems with. It's the mixes

Ted says:
Just like the english dictionary needs updating regularly, so does the alien database

Trish says:
then limit it to 1/2 and 1/2

Kooky says:
::agrees with Ted::

Host Beth says:
Correct Scott: that's what we were talking about earlier :)

CJ-Tala says:
::Agrees with Ted and Trish::

Cathy says:
A...but again, by whom and by what standards?

Jane says:
::agrees with Trish::

ScottB says:
Which halves?

Trish says:
::wants to see a Vulcan mate with a Horta::

ScottB says:
A Borg Betazoid is 1/2 & 1/2

CJ-Tala says:
Cathy: Currently by Management, and their determination...

Cathy says:
Top and bottom?

Ted says:
OUCH

Jane says:
LOL

Host Beth says:
Trish: I think you could probably get that on Pay-per-view :)

ScottB says:
Left and right brain

Cathy says:
LOL

Trish says:
LOLOL

ScottB says:
Currently I have neither

Cathy says:
That is really bad.

Host Beth says:
::points at Trish:: She said it first :)

Trish says:
again, I think this goes back to what is GENETICALLY possible!

Cathy says:
Honestly, some of the species are ugly enough untampered with.....

CJ-Tala says:
Trish: But without testing the DNA of these aliens, how are we going to know?

Trish says:
amen Cathy!

CJ-Tala says:
LOL Cathy!

Kooky says:
LOL!

Host Beth says:
I guess technically a Borg Betazoid is 1/2 and 1/2....

ScottB says:
We plain don't know

Host Beth says:
lol Cathy :)

Trish says:
Borg eat anything, just like Mikey does!

ScottB says:
So, inevitably we end up having to make decisions based on what our gut feels like from tonight's dinner

ScottB says:
:D

CJ-Tala says:
Honestly, right now I think the allowable races are fine the way they are, and if things were restricted to half/half, I wouldn't shed any tears...

Cathy says:
Wow.....an inside secret. <G>

Jane says:
Yep

KevNash says:
Then we could create Terminators with our brain engrams programmed into them.

Cathy says:
::agrees with Chris and Jane::

Trish says:
remember M 5, Scott

Cathy says:
I'm happy with the species options....I just think the crossbreeding should be limited to halvsies.

Trish says:
::rofl at a 1/2 Tellerite and 1/2 whatever::

Trish says:
exactly Cathy

CJ-Tala says:
Trish: It would look goofy...but the Tellerites are goofie enough as it is... ;)

CJ-Tala says:
Cathy: I'm in complete agreement.

Trish says:
<G>\

Host Beth says:
Okay...Vote Time:  Say if you are for or against ---  Keep the databse as is and limit cross-breeding to half and half only.

Cathy says:
You'd need a blind species there, Trish.

CJ-Tala says:
Agreed.

Trish says:
AYE

GregC says:
yeah

Jane says:
Yeppers

Dawn says:
aye

Cathy says:
Aye

Ted says:
Agreed

kate says:
aye

KevNash says:
aye

Trish says:
::hands Cathy the blindfolds::

Host Beth says:
Jeepers...everyone agrees...I think we need a group hug and a round of Kum Bye Ya :)

ScottB says:
Aye on the condition that the possible half combinations also be figured out. Like we said before a Borg Betazoid is 1/2 & 1/2, we don't allow that, no?

Kooky says:
Tellarate and Medusan?

Jane says:
ROFL

CJ-Tala says:
Hahaha... :)

ScottB says:
Okay, I'll vote no just to make the tally sheet full. :o

Cathy says:
Maybe 1/2 Tellerite, 1/2 Benzite?

Trish says:
no BORG !!!

CJ-Tala says:
Scott: No...only allowing the current Allowable Races to Cross-Breed.

ScottB says:
I think that's how it is anyway already, at least in the tangled web of Brian's head

CJ-Tala says:
Probably... :)

ScottB says:
But still even then, there are combinations that don't work

ScottB says:
Maybe something like a Ferengi Vulcan?

CJ-Tala says:
I've seen it happen - MO Denali Station.

Jane says:
That would be hilarious

Trish says:
yeah, what self respecting Vulcan would mate with a Ferengi?

ScottB says:
::sigh::

Jane says:
LOL

Host Beth says:
Topics for next week?  Anyone?  Or does everyone like the Open Forum idea again?

CJ-Tala says:
It doesn't work, but right now it's Bryan's call as to whether or not it gets approved.

ScottB says:
no comment. :)

CJ-Tala says:
Beth: Genetic Alterations!

KevNash says:
Open Forum is fine

Cathy says:
A really desperate one, Trish.

ScottB says:
Topic for next week: Dissecting me

Kooky says:
Leave it open

Kooky says:
Now that could be fun :)

Ted says:
Open forum seems to be working well

ScottB says:
Best ways for trying to decrypt my brain

CJ-Tala says:
Scott: That would be a task more impossible then a Cannon Committee. :)

KevNash says:
:: Pust up the Parental Controls for gore factor.::

ScottB says:
Well at least it'd have everyone working on one single thing

ScottB says:
Unless you started splitting up the lobes in my head

Trish says:
votes for dissecting Scott... then tossing him out the airlock

Cathy says:
::seconds the motion::

Trish says:
you only have two Scott

Host Beth says:
lol @ Scott

ScottB says:
Wanna bet?

CJ-Tala says:
Now Trish - that's not very nice. I'm proud of you. :)

Trish says:
LOLOL

ScottB says:
You just wait until July

Cathy says:
Tsk tsk.....no lobe flashing allowed.

Trish says:
I was being nice Scott

CJ-Tala says:
Hello Cam.

ScottB says:
:o

Cathy says:
wb Cam

Cam says:
hi folks

ScottB says:
I enjoy eumachs

ScottB says:
:D

Trish says:
why, what ya gonna do or think you are gonna do Scooter?

Cathy says:
<G>

Cathy says:
Wow......watch out, Scott.

ScottB says:
:)

CJ-Tala says:
We done for the night Beth? :)

Host Beth says:
I want to thank everyone for participating...this was a good chat tonight:)