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Topic:  Do you think Star Trek is past it's prime and over the hill?

Stardate 10304.11
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Host Beth says:
Okay folks....why don't we get started :)

Jane says:
Welcome Phil!

Host Beth says:
Hey Phil :)

SM_Tech13 says:
Hey Friends:)

Host Beth says:
The Topic is: Do you think Star Trek is past it's prime and over the hill?

Jane says:
Welcome Dawn!

SM_Tech13 says:
Evening Dawn

Host Beth says:
Anyone want to start off?

Host Beth says:
Hiya Dawn :)

Jane says:
Past it's prime and over the hill?  Sacriledge!

SM_Tech13 says:
Nothing like preaching to the Chior

Host Beth says:
So you don't think it's boring?  that the movies are getting worse adn the TV shows are not as 
great as they were?

Jane says:
The last movie wasn't so hot... but Enterprise has its moments

Dawn says:
heya Phil

Dawn says:
::is thinking::

SM_Tech13 says:
Depends on your expectations

EO_Ensign_K`Vas says:
It needs fresh people doing the writing,  the current staff seems stuck in their ways

SM_Tech13 says:
Most people want to be more and more thrilled by each event

SM_Tech13 says:
I just enjoy it for what it is, Entertainment

Jane says:
yeah... maybe there is something comforting about its familiarity....

Host Beth says:
But what about the fan base?  it seems that they are using sex appeal more and more just to draw in viewers....

EO_Ensign_K`Vas says:
Yes Star Trek is like an old friend

Jane says:
If that's the case they should try getting some sexy men then.

Trish2 says:
Sex sells :)

EO_Ensign_K`Vas says:
Your telling me

Host Beth says:
Jane: Statistics show that more males watch TV than females...

SM_Tech13 says:
There trying to appeal to a whole new generation

Host Beth says:
LOL Ted

Jane says:
Just one sexy man?

Trish2 says:
LOL Ted.  And I don't mind if they use sex apeal as long as they keep up good writing

Jane says:
There hasn't been a sexy man since.... wait... there's never been a sexy man....

Host Beth says:
Supposedly that's supposed to be Archar...although I prefer Trip myself ;)

SM_Tech13 says:
Scott Bakula just doesn't do it for you ? <G>

EO_Ensign_K`Vas says:
Captain Kirk would be heartbroken to hear you say that

Jane says:
Ick

Jane says:
double Ick..

Host Beth says:
Well...Patrick Stewart in my opinion is very sexy....

Trish2 says:
wasn't he once voted sexiest man on TV or something like that in the hayday of TOS?

SM_Tech13 says:
wb Dawn

Dawn says:
thx Phil

Host Beth says:
wb Dawn :)

Jane says:
Oh right... How could I forget about Patrick Stewart....

Jane says:
I stand corrected.  :)

Trish2 says:
LOL

Jane says:
hubba hubba...

Host Beth says:
Yep...wouldn't kick him out for eating crackers in bed ;)

Jane says:
LOL

SM_Tech13 says:
Not gonna touch that

Host Beth says:
So I've got two opinions that say Star Trek is still viable....anyone else?

Trish2 says:
viable yes, but I agree they need new writers and new ideas

Jane says:
You don't think Enterprise is different?

EO_Ensign_K`Vas says:
Enterprise didn't impress me in the beginning

Trish2 says:
well I think the alienated the fan base they had by not being consistant with what fans already knew, like first contacts etc.

Trish2 says:
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EO_Ensign_K`Vas says:
I agree

Jane says:
Enterprise is only in its second season.  Have you watched TNG's early seasons lately?

SM_Tech13 says:
It did me, just because they were willing to attempt a prequel of a 30 year old series

Jane says:
If you watch it noncritically... take it as it is... its great entertainment.  It's one of only two shows I regularly watch.

Trish2 says:
yeah... I have actually been watching TNG first season. I hated the TOS re-write stories, but a number of early stories were still good

EO_Ensign_K`Vas says:
But how many Starfleet Captains get beat up 3 times in the pilot episode

Trish2 says:
LOL

Jane says:
Archer did?

EO_Ensign_K`Vas says:
yes

Jane says:
Well...he's kinda goofy.  :)

Trish2 says:
well that's not important to me... not like continuity is

Jane says:
But T'Pol and the Doc.. what great characters.

EO_Ensign_K`Vas says:
The Doctor is cool

Jane says:
Regarding continuity though...

Trish2 says:
yep and I like how they are doing more with the Andorians

Jane says:
they set it up from the start:  Temporal War...

Jane says:
So they can break all the rules they want depending on how they end it.

SM_Tech13 says:
Yes, were still waiting to find out about that

Jane says:
Its a great plot device.

Trish2 says:
to me that is a lame gimmick and lazy continuity directing

Jane says:
Personally, I like it... leaves open all kinds of possibilities.

Trish2 says:
bet they hired Voy's continuity director :)

Jane says:
At least they didn't hire Kate Mulgrew

Host Beth says:
Hey now...I happen to like Kate ;)

Jane says:
She didn't know whether to be a mom or a captain...

SM_Tech13 says:
I Kinda liked her as Captain,

Trish2 says:
I think the writers had trouble writing a woman in athority

Jane says:
Could be.  The writers are all men right?

Host Beth says:
Jane: That's right....and isn't that exactly what we go through?  :)  I know I often end up being a mother hen to the guys at work....

Trish2 says:
I would guess that is right, mostly men if not all

Host Beth says:
No there are a few females and one of the producers is a female

Trish2 says:
To me they never got the mix of a feminine athority figure right

Jane says:
I liked the way she handled Seven though.  That was good.

Trish2 says:
I didn't it was not consistant character development. One week she'd have learned a valuable lesson and the next one, she was back to her old ways

Host Beth says:
Trish: Really?  I thought Kate did a good job of showing what it was like for a female to be in a traditionally male role....but then that's where I'm at in my line of work...you constantly have to strive for a balance.

Trish2 says:
I do understand that believe that or not. :)

Trish2 says:
but ::shrug:: To me the seemed to write her to one extreme or the other

Trish2 says:
but I was turned off Voy shortly after 7 of 9's arrival

Trish2 says:
maybe they got it better later in the series

SM_Tech13 says:
I think a lot of so called fans are way to critical of it

Host Beth says:
Well to be honest...I never take the writing into effect...I usually watch how the actor handles te role...there's a lot that they do that isn't in the script

Host Beth says:
Whoops...jane overboard :)

EO_Ensign_K`Vas says:
Get out the life preservers

Host Beth says:
Hopefully she'll be able to get back

SM_Tech13  (Shatner.wav)

Host Beth says:
Okay back to the topic:  What about the movies?  Think they should make anymore?

Trish2 says:
I hope they do, but I fear they will not

SM_Tech13 says:
I would love to see a DS9 movie

EO_Ensign_K`Vas says:
It's time for a new crew.  Age is wearing on the actors

SM_Tech13 says:
But It's probally not a economical venture

Trish2 says:
I would love a DS9 movie myself

Trish2 says:
probably not

Host Beth says:
Let's say that they continue on with the trend of how they are doing the movies....what makes anyone think the next one will be any good...even if it is a DS9 one?

Trish2 says:
seeing how DS9 lost some of the "adventureing" fan base

EO_Ensign_K`Vas says:
DS9:THE MOVIE, I'd buy that

Trish2 says:
LOL yes I would too, but I am a fan of DS9

Trish2 says:
well for DS9 I think it would be well recieved because nothing has been done with it and there were lots of questions left unanswered

Host Beth says:
But Nemesis was an excellent storyline and look what happened....Insurrection was another wonderful storyline and I gotta admit..it was fun but not 'Wow'....

Host Beth says:
Do you think they can do justice to a DS9 movie?

EO_Ensign_K`Vas says:
Star Trek has always used conflicts from the real world as a story base.  Should be an overwhelming supply for new movies in our current world

SM_Tech13 says:
Thats where the expectation issue comes in

Host Beth says:
True Phil...and I agree ted

Trish2 says:
um.... I guess I have a prejudice against Nemisis.... due to the deanna psychic rape scene.... oy

SM_Tech13 says:
Just like drugs, the more you get the bigger blast you expect

SM_Tech13 says:
I think they can, If they get the right people

Trish2 says:
and for me there just wasn't enough riker/troi.... alas. ::hooked on imzadi::

SM_Tech13 says:
Were back to eye candy again huh:)

Trish2 says:
LOL as my friend Eric put it: Deanna Troi, space babe.

Trish2 says:
he asked me why I did not tell him about Star Trek sooner... LOL

SM_Tech13 says:
LOL

EO_Ensign_K`Vas says:
Geez I feel old, was just thinking how long I have been watching Star Trek

Host Beth says:
What would you say if I thought that maybe Star Trek needed to stop for a while....take a sabbatical?

SM_Tech13 says:
Rerelease in 10 years just like Disney does

EO_Ensign_K`Vas says:
That would more than likely be the DEATH of Star Trek

Trish2 says:
I dunno they didn't do anything from the series until the first movie.... how long was that?

Host Beth says:
You think so Ted?  You don't think it would be like Phil says...like Disney?  reach a whole new audience?

Trish2 says:
Episode One probably did so well because the fans were chomping at the bit by the time it was released\

EO_Ensign_K`Vas says:
No, in 10 years what we consider amazing will be mundane for the kids.  Technology is a swift beast

SM_Tech13 says:
Well folks, gotta prep for mission

SM_Tech13 says:
Wsh I could stay

SM_Tech13 says:
Take care all

Host Beth says:
.thanks for stopping by Phil

Host Beth says:
::chuckles:: My character Mia has the hots for his character Ian ;)

EO_Ensign_K`Vas says:
Carefull you'll change the rating on this discussion :)

Host Beth says:
Hee.....

Host Beth says:
So you guys think that the one thing that is killing Star Trek is the writing?

Trish2 says:
I do to some extent. I don't know how to explain how or why I feel that way

EO_Ensign_K`Vas says:
If the member of just one of our fleets got together, we could write a better Star Trek than is currently being  done

EO_Ensign_K`Vas says:
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Host Beth says:
Folks...I hate to do this but I got an emergencies with the horses and I have to leave real quick....

EO_Ensign_K`Vas says:
go

Host Beth says:
Good job everyone and thank you for attending...sorry