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Topic:  Should there be time limits on how long a person plays a position on a ship/station?

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Host Beth says:
Welcome to the themed chat.  the topic is: Should there be time limits on how long a person plays a position on a ship/station?

Host Beth says:
And following Jane's suggestion:  I'm Beth and I play a CO, OPS and a CTO...

Sy says:
I am Charlotte and I play XO, CSO, SO, FCO, CNS, and TO

Kooky says:
I'm Sandy and I play an XO and an OPS

Scotty says:
Im nobody, and i play a TO

Sy says:
played or have played I should say

Keith says:
I am Keith I play XO and CSO

Jane says:
Jane I play CNS, CTO and OPS.  And in the past have played FCO, XO and CO

Kooky says:
I have been a TO, an EO and a CEO

Jon says:
I'm Jon I play a CSO and a FCO

Cathy says:
I'm Cathy and I've been a OPS, SO, CIV, XO, CO and am currently an SM and a SO.

GregC says:
I' m Greg. .Played a CIV and FCO now an XO

Jane says:
Great... nice mix.

Jane says:
So are we talking any position or just command positions?

Kooky says:
hmmm ... lots of XO's and former XO's here :)

Host Beth says:
Hehe..I didn't know we were talking about every position we've ever played....then I guess I should admend mine to say I've been every position there is :)

Scotty says:
::whistles::

Jane says:
oohhh....  a wealth of experience.

Cathy says:
LOL

Host Beth says:
Jane: Every position.  Including command :)

Sy says:
nah she just can be comitted to anything ;)

Sy says:
::GDR::

Sy says:
can't

Kooky says:
LOL!

Host Beth says:
::thwaps Sy::

Host Beth says:
So who thinks there should be time limits?

Jane says:
So in theory we would all swap around once in a while, if there were timelimits of course.

Jane says:
I'm of two minds about it.

Cathy says:
I do :)

Keith says:
I have mixed emotions....I can see it both ways

Jon says:
I don't

Sy says:
I don't

Kooky says:
I dunno ...

Cathy says:
For command only.

Scotty says:
I dont

Host Beth says:
Okay...now people tell us why you think the way you do...

Jane says:
Command is fun and everyone should have a chance to play it.

Cathy says:
If there are no limits, certain ships would stagnate.

Kooky says:
If there were time limits ... would ppl be forced to play positions they don't want to play?

Jon says:
If you like where you are, why change?

Jane says:
Certain ships have at times stagnated.

Scotty says:
I think that people should be able to hold positions that they want too, and decide on their own when it is time for a change

Sy says:
but some I think would become better because of it

Cathy says:
That's why I only think command should be limited.

Sy says:
I think if you limit command then all need to be limited

Jane says:
I agree with Cathy.  I love CNSing and never want to give it up.

Cathy says:
Should you be able to remain CO forever?

Jane says:
No way!

Jon says:
They didn't limit Command on Riker... and they wanted him in the big chair on many occasions

Kooky says:
Cathy: If you want to why not?

Keith says:
But if command were limited, that would mean I would have a limited time to make CO or forfiet. Right?

Cathy says:
Because then there is no room for others to move up.

Jane says:
I hope not Keith.

Host Beth says:
Cathy: If there was a time limit on command then the positions would open up whether there is a suitable candidate or not, right?

Sy says:
I know of 2-3 XO positions opened right now

Cathy says:
For me to become CO, Chris had to move out.

Keith says:
I don't know, thats why I was asking

Jane says:
Who defines suitable though?

Jane says:
What does a person need to be suitable?

Cathy says:
I think for most of us, we know when we are starting to get stale.

Host Beth says:
For CO?  There are a lot of criteria...not everyone can be an XO or CO

Jane says:
Why not?  What precludes them?

Cathy says:
I beg to differ, Not every CHARACTER can become command. :)

Sy says:
lots of things can

Jon says:
If others want to move up, then they should invite others to join the game. That way they christian a new ship, and if your character demostrates leadership qualities, you'd be asked to command or XO that vessel

Jane says:
Not every character no.

Jane says:
That's a good idea Jon.

Scotty says:
hey i gotta leave, bye all

Cathy says:
Speaking from experience, there were quite a few years where no one moved up or out. :)

Kooky says:
Later Scotty

Jane says:
Darn... bye Scotty.

Host Beth says:
Jane: Many things.  For one...is that person...and I mean player...reliable?  Do they help other players or are they glory hounds....

Jane says:
But some of the COs ARE glory hounds.

Keith says:
Good point Beth

Host Beth says:
Yes and how does that make their crew feel?  Does that mean they are a good CO?

Keith says:
I can think of one who is mosy assuradly not Jane.

Cathy says:
Some SMs favor CO related missions.

GregC says:
Sqeaky wheel gets the grease, sometimes

Jane says:
I can think of lots who aren't, Keith.

Jane says:
Very few are, but it happens.

Cathy says:
A good CO makes sure everyone has fun.

Keith says:
Point taken Jane

Sy says:
Question: How is this in the real world... to Captains on boat retain that position for as long as they like?

Kooky says:
A good CO gets every player involved in what is going on ...

Host Beth says:
When looking for a CO or an XO...the player has to be taken into account as well as the charcter...

Sy says:
correct

Keith says:
CO's could be CO till they retired in RL....::looks for some military amongst them::

Cathy says:
In the real world there is alwasy another ship. Here there isn't.

Jane says:
okay... but not every CO is a good one.... having time limits means the bad ones won't last forever.

Jon says:
A good CO would even sacrafice his/her involvement in a mission to advance the storyline

Host Beth says:
Sy: yes...there are officers that retire as Captains after 15 years...

Kooky says:
But wouldn't the assessment process weed out the bad ones ...

Host Beth says:
Correct Jon

Jane says:
It doesn't though.

Cathy says:
Not always, Sandy.

Sy says:
then prehaps assessments need to be changed

Host Beth says:
Jane: Correct...but there are other steps that can be taken to remove bad CO's.

Jane says:
But if they're bad only in the sense that the players don't have fun.... they can't be removed against their wishes for that.

Cathy says:
COs are rarely removed.

Host Beth says:
I believe they can if the SM, FM and DM believe that it warrants it

Jane says:
But they don't

Jane says:
It's mean and everyone here wants to be nice.

Cathy says:
Yes, they can. I know of two who were removed, but it isn't done often.

Host Beth says:
And why are we speaking only of CO's?  There is only one CSO position per ship...or CEO position...what about people that want those positions but they are always filled?

Jane says:
I really like CTO

Jane says:
and sat and waited for one to open up.

Jon says:
I find people rather play CTO

Cathy says:
They like to shoot things.

Jane says:
It's great!

Host Beth says:
The CTO spot is always very popular...and there is only one per ship...

Kooky says:
Yeah ... everybody wants to do the shotting ...

Keith says:
I like you at OPS Jane :)

Jon says:
Yeah the shooting things part.

Jane says:
Thanks Keith :)

Kooky says:
I like Jane at FCO ... she flies into wormholes ...

Jane says:
FCO bores me to tears.

Jane says:
I love CTO

Cathy says:
She's great at the wormholes.

Kooky says:
yup!

Sy says:
I always wanted a CNS spot... I waited until one came open... that is how it works and I think how it should work

Jane says:
Yes Sy

Cathy says:
brb

Jane says:
If you are patient one will open up.

Kooky says:
I always wanted to be a CEO ...

Kooky says:
I got my wish first time with no wait

Jane says:
There you go.  No need to limit time on most position.

Jon says:
FCO is cool

Jane says:
but command positions....

Sy says:
why are they different?

Jane says:
before I had one and wished and wished for one.

Keith says:
I think ultimatly ther should be no time limit, now that I really think of it.

Jon says:
You get to crash the ship and make things interesting... ::wink::

Jane says:
Now that I've had them...they are nice but not worth striving for.

Kooky says:
I'm just thinking how that would work ... The CO usually has a rank of Captain and the XO a 
rank of Commander ... You would be promoting and demoting all the time ... ::thinking of the paperwork::

Host Beth says:
I know I am very biased about the command spots...but I do want to put out one more point.  It takes a lot of time and hard work to get to be CO...and if there were time limits..why would I want to work for three years to get to a spot I have to leave in a year or two?

Jane says:
I think everyone with the ability should have a chance to play command.  You truly do learn much about leadership.

Jane says:
I just think everyone should have a chance... I said I was of two minds about this...

Keith says:
There are a very limited number of CO's(or any position really) And I'd like to think I have a shot at CO someday. If I was limited as XO, I would never make it. Not that I would definetly anyways....you get my drift

Host Beth says:
And believe it or not, Jane: Over the past year over 12 CO slots opened up and were replaced....without time limits...

Sy says:
in reality there are two command position on all ships... only one for the chief of a department.... looks to me like the numbers would say the limits need to be on the other positions

Jane says:
And I know at least 50 regular players who would have done very well at them.

Kooky says:
I don't know how it works on other ships ... but on the Scorp before we promote anyone to Lt Cmdr or above they are given the chance to command ...

Sy says:
same on all the ships and stations I have played on

Keith says:
Sheesh. 12?! I guess I never will make it :(

Jon says:
Things happen in RL though. Eventually a CO position would open up and the SM of that ship would ask around for a replacement. If your SM likes you as an XO they may recommend you

Jane says:
That's a wise way to do it, Sandy.

Sy says:
what is wrong with 12... that is about a 1/3 of the ships

Kooky says:
::nods:: Jon: I know ... I very nearly got XO of the Huron but then XO of the ship I was on became available ...

Jane says:
Okay.. how about just time limits on XO spots?

Kooky says:
So what would happen to the current XO ... would they go back to what they were before?

Jane says:
Wherever you wanted to go....

Host Beth says:
For those of you that don't know: Sy plays my XO on the Del :)  So again I'm biased.....I would hate to have time limits on her .

Jane says:
it would increase the available pool of CO's

Kooky says:
Which would, for me, be difficult as I couldn't move from ship to ship ...

Keith says:
Guess I shoul quit while I'm ahead if 1/3 of the CO's turned over and I wasn't given one. How about a fair play then, I'm sure I;ve played longer than some of those that ARE CO's now

Jane says:
Okay.. who here has never played command?

Keith says:
::raises hand::

Host Beth says:
Kieth...you're an XO now :)

Sy says:
XO is considered command right?

Jane says:
XO considered command.

Kooky says:
XO and Second on most ships, Sy :)

Host Beth says:
Yeah Command is CO, XO and 2nd :)

Keith says:
I was taking it literlly....as CO

Jon says:
I've never played command in the sense of CO or XO, however, I've been in command when our CO and XO were injured/missing

Jane says:
Do you enjoy command Jon?

Sy says:
well in that case if you want command there are a lot of ships out there that live with no 2nds

Jon says:
I enjoyed it. The thing I remember most was getting everyone into the mission

Jane says:
Then you Jon have the basic skills to be a good CO.

Host Beth says:
The Del has a curse on the second position...we don't dare have one.

Jane says:
Do you believe you'll get a chance at it?

Jon says:
I hope one day I'd get a shot at it.

Kooky says:
LOL

Kooky says:
You will ... :)

Sy says:
we haven't had one for over a year now

Jane says:
Jon will for sure if people are moving around.

Host Beth says:
Kooky: Everytime I promote someone to the second spot they had to leave for some reason or other within a month....

Kooky says:
ouch ...

Host Beth says:
Happened four times in a row...

Host Beth says:
Cursed, definately

Kooky says:
sounds like it

Jane says:
Does anyone know offhand who the longest running CO is?  Wait.. just how long.

Jane says:
Not who... just how long?

Sy says:
no idea

Keith says:
no clue

Kooky says:
I knew one who was a CO for 2 years

Host Beth says:
I believe Vaughn?  Four years I think

Keith says:
I knbow one at arond 3

Jane says:
All the XO's out there... would you want to be Vaughn's XO?

Sy says:
If he is a good CO I would

Keith says:
Nope

Kooky says:
Dunno ... I haven't played with Vaughn

Jane says:
Me neither.

Host Beth says:
I think his XO has been there that long too..or close to it

Jane says:
I've never played with him.  Its not about him personally.

Sy says:
actually I love the XO spot... I would rather do that than be a CO

Kooky says:
same here Jane

Kooky says:
Me too Sy!

Host Beth says:
Which is extremely lucky for me :)

Kooky says:
But, of course, if it came up and was offered ... I wouldn't refuse :)

Sy says:
hehe

Jane says:
I found XO much more challenging than CO.  But CO is the most fun!

Host Beth says:
I've always wondered why everyone thinks so....to be honest..I often do less as CO than my little ensign OPS character during a mission.

Sy says:
well while we are talking about it... how about timelimits on SMs?

Jon says:
It's so rare finding someone willing to spend time to run a mission, why limit there time?

Jane says:
You are a truly gifted CO Beth.

Keith says:
I like XO because my CO lets me do soooo much::serious:: Keeps me feeling a real part of command, not just a flunkie

Kooky says:
OPS is one busy position ... as I found out when I took that position ...

Sy says:
oh I don't know... I think there are more prospective SMs out than than you think

Jane says:
Time limits on SMs?

Keith says:
XO is really the hardest spot I think

Host Beth says:
Actually Jon..they had to open a other SMiT program because they had people signed up until 2005 :)

Jane says:
I agree Sy.  But at least there is the SMiT program so management can see what they can do.

Host Beth says:
I think there are a lot of people who would want to be SM

Keith says:
Er.....SM's? Keep the good ones.....LOL

Jon says:
Hehe... but those are in training right?

Kooky says:
::doesn't want to be an SM::

Jane says:
Me neither.

Jon says:
not everyone has what it takes to SM

Keith says:
I would not want to SM

Jane says:
Exactly... so our brave staff test them

Sy says:
same for CO and XO

Jon says:
kinda like American Idol. Some people think they have what it takes, but they dont.

Host Beth says:
I agree with you Kooky....I've dug my heels in and refused everytime they bug me about it :)

Sy says:
aren't players tested... before they get LtCMdr rank?

Jane says:
Since there is such a demand for SM training... why not allow for command training at the same time.

Kooky says:
Sy: I don't know whether that applies on all ships

Host Beth says:
Jane: That is what should be done on each ship/station.

Jane says:
I agree Beth.

Keith says:
Command is an either you have it or you don't.....I'm not at all commenting on my abilties/lack of abilites

Host Beth says:
Correct Kieth...I know several people who shouldn't even have a chief spot...but I know several who are naturals.

Keith says:
Beth, at the same time, all of this must be kept in perspective. In the end, it is a game that eveyone should have fun at

Jane says:
Exactly.

Keith says:
So limiting a position....kind of a fuzzy area

Kooky says:
And I know of some ppl who are happy being ensigns ...

Jane says:
So many people have a hope of making command someday... it keeps them in the game

Host Beth says:
I think the biggest problem is that we promote too fast in the beginning...people go from Ensign to Lt in a year and then expect to go from Lt to Captain in a year

Jane says:
I'm happy being an Ensign now... but only because I've had the other side of it too.

Sy says:
true

Jane says:
You might be right about that Beth.

Jon says:
It's no fun if we tell someone "Congrats! You're the XO of the Woofer. You've got 6 months before you pack your bags"

Keith says:
I wouldn't refuse a person CSO becaue they were either new of just plain bad. I might if I was thinking of a commad type

Kooky says:
It should be harder once the rank goes up ...

Sy says:
I agree jon

Host Beth says:
I agree to Jon.

Jane says:
Keith.. I know people who weren't "allowed" to take chiefs positions.

Host Beth says:
Yes Kooky...it should be harder...

Kooky says:
Dylan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jane says:
Welcome Dylan  :)

Schmacker says:
Sandy!!!!!!!!!!! ::thwap:: :P

Host Beth says:
Jane: Are those people capable of handling the positions?

Kooky says:
Hey!! ::thwapa Dylan::

Sy says:
and more from the character and player should be expected as the rank goes up

Host Beth says:
Hi Ted :)

Kooky says:
<thwaps even>

TO_Cdt_Ted says:
hello

Jane says:
Yes... with guidance and support.

Kooky says:
I agree Sy

Keith says:
Jane: Did you agree with the decisioin?

Jane says:
No.

Keith says:
I know of someone who has been kept an suboridnate position for the YEARS just becasue he is a giant pain. I just can't see being that mean. Some of you know who I am taking about

Sy says:
It is not a bad thing to have to wait on something

Jane says:
::doesn't but that's okay::

Kooky says:
::thinks she does but isn't gonna say who::

Jane says:
It seems there is often politics involved.

Host Beth says:
Jane: the sad fact is...some people cannot be trusted or cannot handle command positions..or chief positions.  It effects too many people...

Keith says:
It deson't matter who it is, it';s jsut wrong

Jane says:
But Beth

Keith says:
::thinking::

Jane says:
There is always politics involved.

Jane says:
It's not just based on skill and ability.

Schmacker says:
::is whistling quietly to himself::

Keith says:
The politics will never go away

Jane says:
I refuse to believe that.

Keith says:
I hear you Jane, I have been XO somewhere for a year

Keith says:
I don't shmooze

Jane says:
And Keith.. you are one of a number of people of skill... yes exactly.

Jane says:
It's who you know.

Keith says:
Thats the truth

Host Beth says:
I think we're losing the perspective that this is a crew...a team...not an individual game...which means that not everyone is going to get what they want just because they think they should get a chance. Not if it is detrimental to the play of others.  I'm talking in general....not specifics

Jane says:
But its who makes those judgements Beth.

Jane says:
because sometimes there are personal issues involve.

Sy says:
Oh I don't know... I know of a player that made CO and never even knew who the GM was

Host Beth says:
Hish Sy :)

Host Beth says:
Hush even

Kooky says:
I agree with Beth ... I saw a crew that nearly self-destructed because of the actions of one person ...

Sy says:
I have seen that several times Kooky

Schmacker says:
but Jane, in life there are always personal issues... thats just the way of things

Jane says:
Okay... we have Beth who is gifted, and we don't want to lose as CO...

Jane says:
But we have 50 other players who are capable

Keith says:
I've seen ships get shook up.....I'm not sure I'd base it clearly on one person...it couldn't be 
clould it?

Kooky says:
Keith: In the case I'm talking about it was ...

Jon says:
::Drumroll::

Jane says:
There are a few players out there who are poison for sure.

Sy says:
In the 3 cases I am thinking our it was

Keith says:
What Sy?

Keith says:
I don't know the specifics, but I guess it could happen

Sy says:
3 cases I experienced where one player nearly killed the ship/station they were on with their 
actions

Jane says:
LOL

Keith says:
Ther entire ship? Couldn't the SM stop it?

Jane says:
The SM should kill the person then.  :)

Kooky says:
Keith: In this case it got personal ... this person started e-mailing everybody ... it snowballed from there

Host Beth says:
The character may die but the player remains unfortunately :)

Keith says:
Okay.....one of those nasty thing I've been fortunate enough to avoid, My bad Kooky

Jane says:
Keep killing them until they get the hint?

Kooky says:
np Keith ... but it does happen

TO_Cdt_Ted says:
when revenge becomes the object of the game, it is almost unstoppable

Host Beth says:
Good point Ted

Jane says:
Kill them in the first two minutes of each mission

Keith says:
I think SM's can and do boot people out do they not?

Keith says:
If they were that unwanted

Jane says:
We'll call them Kenny...

Host Beth says:
LOL Jane :)

GregC says:
heh

Keith says:
LOL

Host Beth says:
Kieth: yes they can but there are fairly strict guidelines...

Keith says:
I think Kenny is in a meatloaf now

Sy says:
I have never had an SM do that to my knowledge... maybe threat them with no promotions but never botted them

Kooky says:
I've seen it once

Keith says:
There a protocol to follow?

Kooky says:
The character was removed after several warnings ...

Sy says:
botted=booted

Jane says:
I've seen SM's squeeze people off ships....

Jane says:
chill them off.

Jane says:
Ignore them completely

Keith says:
I GOT squeezed Jane

Host Beth says:
Let me ask this:  If a player has been active for three years...follows all of the rules...but is harsh when other players make a mistake...bad mouths the players and is disrespectful...should they be given a chance for command just because they have been playing a while and followed the rules?

Jane says:
Not always warrented either.

Jane says:
Me too Keith.

Jane says:
hummmm.....

Keith says:
Beth: Assuradly not

Sy says:
No way... that would kill a ship

Kooky says:
Beth: No, they shouldn't ...

Jane says:
If they've been given that feedback and an opportunity to improve

Keith says:
They become a disruption to everyones fun, the one real capitol offense imho

TO_Cdt_Ted says:
no, although people have different approaches to command

Host Beth says:
So then there should be a selective process for promoting to command slots...and I'm not talking political here.

Jane says:
If the politics could truly be kept out of it.

Kooky says:
I think there should be set criteria for promotion to Command

Jane says:
But as someone who was once squeezed off a ship I don't believe it ever can be not political.

Host Beth says:
Jane: Politics will always be in everything as long as it's in human nature...

Kooky says:
In the same way a person applies for a job

Keith says:
For command? Yes, I think there should be. For EO? No

TO_Cdt_Ted says:
as there is with any military structure, great care must be taken in the selection of people for promotion

Host Beth says:
Correct Kooky and Ted.  Kieth: How about for CEO?

Jane says:
I don't mind politics Beth... it's when people who can't see their own faults clearly are making the judgement.

Sy says:
Hey Gilles

Kooky says:
((((((((((((((((( Gilles )))))))))))))))))))

Jane says:
Welcome Gilles.

Keith says:
CEO I guess would be a level up.....it is kind of a judment call when you get up there.

Gilles says:
LTNS Jane ! :-)

Jane says:
Gilles is a perfect example.

Jane says:
If everyone in management was as fair minded

Gilles says:
::blinks:: Uh Oh

Sy says:
lol... no ambushes ;)

Kooky says:
hee

Keith says:
Sure Sy

Host Beth says:
Run Gilles...run for your life!!!

Jane says:
Gilles gave me a chance at command

Keith says:
There ......activating!

Kooky says:
Be scared, Gilles ... be VERY scared ...

Gilles says:
:-)

Jane says:
when no one else would touch me because of political reasons.

Keith says:
Cool deal Jane

Jon says:
political reasons?

Jane says:
Yes, I'd made an enemy of an SM.

Keith says:
We digressed slightly Gilles

Jon says:
oh... well Gilles is Canadian

Gilles says:
LOL So I see

Sy says:
ok here is a question...

Jane says:
::listens::

Jon says:
Ok, I gotta go.. bye all

Kooky says:
Later Jon

Jane says:
Darn... night Jon.

Keith says:
Bye Jon

Kooky says:
Gilles: btw, thanks for letting me play on the Pharoah yesterday ...

Jane says:
Great ship eh Sandy?

Gilles says:
Sandy anytime.. .truely.. if you are in the neighborhood

Kooky says:
It was fun :)

Jane says:
great pace...

Sy says:
If I am an XO with a time-limit placed on me and during that time I was unable to find a CO position or choose not to accept one and my time came up.... would I have the option of taking any position on the ship I wanted even if it meant another player got bumped down?

Kooky says:
But did you have to blow up the bridge?

Keith says:
I feel like NPCing

Jane says:
oh... Sy... can you image the uproar?

Keith says:
Sy: Wow

Gilles says:
::grins:: YUP Sandy... it's my style

Gilles says:
Bomb on the bridge   ::Grins::

Jane says:
I'm coming next week Gilles... I gotta see this.

Kooky says:
I asked that earlier ...

Gilles says:
I ain't cleaning up that mess

Host Beth says:
Good point Sy....sorry Kooky I think I missed it...

Sy says:
but that senerior will come up time and again with time limits

Kooky says:
I did ask ealier about players having to move up and down due to time constraints on command ...

Jane says:
I don't know... I just think there is so much untapped potential out there....

Keith says:
Time limits mean I will never be CO

Keith says:
I think that sucks, personaly

Kooky says:
Not necessarily, Keith ..

Keith says:
::Likes his XO spot::

Jane says:
::stabs Keith in the back and takes his XO spot::

Jane says:
:)

Keith says:
Heh.

Jane says:
j/k... sheesh...

Host Beth says:
And I am extremely lucky Sy likes XO so much :)  Whew....

Keith says:
So was I Jane :)

Jane says:
LOL

Jane says:
::knew that::

Sy says:
and what if your ship is pratically(sp) full and there are no spots that your character can realistically go back to... would that mean that character has to leave?

Kooky says:
::likes her XO spot too::

Jane says:
ack Sy... the more you think about it the more horrible it sounds....

Kooky says:
Either that or the XO char would have to transfer ... I couldn't really see it working in theory

Schmacker says:
::likes his CSO spot::

Keith says:
So does policy ever come out of this .0000000001% of the players? LOL

Sy says:
I for one never want to leave my first ship

Kooky says:
Me either ...

Jane says:
I haven't left my first ship.

Keith says:
I never heard anything about the last one I went to

Host Beth says:
And where do CO's go to?  The old Captain's retirement home?

Keith says:
<of these>

Jane says:
LOL

Kooky says:
LOL

Sy says:
LOL

Jane says:
I can see it now... standing by the seashore.....

Gilles says:
Might as well talk about the subject..... "Why make a rule for a situation that occurs so infrquently?"

Sy says:
K'Beth is already old

Kooky says:
We make em all Admirals ...

Sy says:
::hides behind Gilles::

Jane says:
weathered siding......

Host Beth says:
::growls at Sy::

Jane says:
But we don't want to lose people like Beth.. because she teaches us how to be a good CO...

Jane says:
I still think we should have advanced training ships for CO and XO.

TO_Cdt_Ted says:
perhaps the decision should be left up to the rest of the crew on that ship

Jane says:
Let people try it if they want.

Host Beth says:
::blushes and kicks at the ground:: Aw shucks...thanks Jane :)

Host Beth says:
So a quick sanity check here:  What is your vote?  For time limits on every position or against?  And I mean every position...not just command or SM...

Jane says:
It's just the truth.

Keith says:
So....we haven't really come to a concesus. I think it a subjective thing that should prbably be on a case by case basis

Gilles says:
::votes.. NO::

Jane says:
No

GregC says:
no

Keith says:
NO

TO_Cdt_Ted says:
no

Kooky says:
Against ... on the grounds that it would be unworkable

Sy says:
Against time-limits

Gilles says:
LOL  Unanimous !!

Jane says:
woo hoo!

Sy says:
hehe

Host Beth says:
I'd say that was decivise :)

Kooky says:
hee

Keith says:
GMTA

Host Beth says:
decicive even...

TO_Cdt_Ted says:
time should not make someone obsolete

Gilles says:
::bangs gavel:: Motion approved

Gilles  (Gavel.wav)

Keith says:
::sips his cherry kool-aid now that it's over::

Host Beth says:
Well we went over..but I think we had a great conversation :)

Keith says:
I was good

Jane says:
and we know it will get implemented because it already is!

Keith says:
IT

Gilles says:
LOL Jane

Kooky says:
hee Jane!

Sy says:
lol

Host Beth says:
Guys: I want to say that the management do read these chats so what you say here isn't lost :)

Host Beth says:
LOL Jane :)

Jane says:
Please edit out my whining?

Jane says:
:)

Host Beth says:
Okay: Anything special you want to see next week?

Gilles says:
LOL Jane

Gilles says:
Beth: A bigger paycheck

Jane says:
Stuff about game policy

Keith says:
Or at least they Recieve it Beth :)

Host Beth says:
You didn't whine Jane....you spoke your mind and that's what this is for :)

Jane says:
Thanks Beth.

Kooky says:
Rob!

Nmbarri says:
Sandy!

Gilles says:
Oh.. speaking of which ....

Host Beth says:
Actually: I was thinking of the topic:  Has Star Trek passed it's prime and is now becoming boring and obsolete?

Kooky says:
You missed the CHat ... it just finished ...

Gilles says:
Everyone HAS to look at the intro of the Pharaoh website... JANE made it

Jane says:
oh my....

Gilles says:
http://pharaoh.ships.acalltoduty.com

Kooky says:
It was cool ....

Jane says:
Gilles picked the music though

Keith says:
Nope not at all Beth

Jane says:
::takes no responsibility for that part of it::

Nmbarri says:
::always misses the chat::

Gilles says:
::grins:: SandStorm... it fits my personality

Jane says:
If you do that next week Beth, I'll do my best to be here.  :)

Jane says:
and the Pharaoh

Sy says:
How about what to make the next movie about?

Host Beth says:
Hehe...it wouldn't be the same without you Jane..you are the best devil's advocate here :)

Keith says:
Nice_Job_Jane! I have broadband so it was extra good

Jane says:
Why thank you

Nmbarri says:
i think they should start incorporating the other star trek franchises into the movies

Sy says:
very true :)

Jane says:
I did the Tal-War's too

Jane says:
And the Pendragon

Gilles says:
::nods:: Jane is GOOD !!!

Jane says:
Flash-intros-are-us

Host Beth says:
Then bring those thoughts to next weeks chat....in the meantime...thankyou all for coming and 
participating...it was fun :)

Keith says:
I do websites, I'm not easily impressed. I suck next to Jane

TO_Cdt_Ted says:
goodnight all, will try to be on time next chat

Jane says:
Thanks for your most excellent moderation Beth!

Nmbarri says:
what time does this chat start?

Gilles says:
You like the layout for the site itself Keith... I did that part

Host Beth says:
My pleasure Jane....I really don't do much :)

Kooky says:
9.00 your time, Rob

Jane says:
Keep us structured... that's the most important part I think.

Nmbarri says:
hmmm, i would be cutting it close, but might be able to be here on time

Jane says:
Goodnight all!  ::is off to the yard::

Woody says:
See you later folks

Kooky says:
Is off to the Yard too ... or wait ... I'm already there!

Schmacker says:
later ppl... Ill see some of you tommorow

Sy says:
bye Kooky

Host Beth says:
Thanks everyone....good night!