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Topic:  How has the series and the movies diverged from Roddenberry's plan since his death?

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Host Beth says:
Well since we have three here let's start :)

KevNash says:
ok. Ready.

Host Beth says:
So tell me...has the series and movies diverged from the original plan?

Kooky says:
I'm not sure they have ... except maybe gotten a little darker

KevNash says:
In a lot of ways, yes. In the later movies of the TOS, more militaristic and isolationist screenplays came into effect.

Cathy says:
I think so. Although I still love the concept, they have changed.

Host Beth says:
You don't think they've comercialized it?  Added Seven of Nine and what's her name the female Vulcan on Enterprise for sex appeal?

KevNash says:
The whole seek out and discover thing was not abandoned, but lost it's scope.

Kooky says:
T'Pol

Cathy says:
Seven of Nine was the reason I stopped watching Voyager.

KevNash says:
Yes with those two I believe that they are.

Host Beth says:
Thanks Kooky :)

Kooky says:
They stopped putting Voyager on here ... I haven't seen past season 5

Cathy says:
T'Pol is as overtly sexy.

Kooky says:
I like T'Pol

Cathy says:
<is =ins't>

Host Beth says:
I do too...but she's the first Vulcan I've ever seen with pouty lips <grins>

Cathy says:
I'm not much for Enterprise at all, to tell you the truth.

Kooky says:
I love Enterprise ...

KevNash says:
One could say the same with Picard. The bald head and sexy accent.

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Host Beth says:
My fourteen year old nephew loves her :)

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Host Beth says:
Heya Trish :)

Cathy says:
What sexy accent? And the man can't help being bald!

Kooky says:
I thought Picard was a pain in the ..... ::personal opinion::

KevNash says:
It worked in the Bond series.

Cathy says:
I have never held with the belief that bald is beautiful.

Cathy says:
Give me a guy with hair anyday. Riker was sexier than Picard. :)

Kooky says:
I agree, Cathy!

Trish says:
amen Cathy!!!

KevNash says:
But you have seen the Ohhh! Jean Luc comercials.

Kooky says:
no

Cathy says:
no, actually i haven't.

Host Beth says:
I have to disagree....I think Patrick Stewart is very sexy...

Kooky says:
He was too "stuck up" for my liking ...

Cathy says:
He is sexy.....I love the man....but Frakes is more so.

Trish says:
::sends Beth to the head shrinker::

Host Beth says:
Ricker?  He's okay when he takes that pole out of his hindend that makes him walk and stand so very upright ;)

Cathy says:
And besides which...niether one wore catsuits.

KevNash says:
Uh oh! Now I've done it. ::hides.::

Kooky says:
catsuits?

Host Beth says:
::shudders at the thought of any guy wearing a cat suit::

Cathy says:
Skin tight uniforms.

Kooky says:
ahh

Trish says:
Scott, you are very brave being in here with all women! <G>

KevNash says:
Nay they did that with the female roles.

Cathy says:
Hee...I have to agree with you on that one, Beth!

Host Beth says:
Hehe...we should put him in for a medal :)

Trish says:
hehehe, yup!

Kooky says:
Maybe Trish should give him a star ... :)

Trish says:
LOLOL

Host Beth says:
I can see that we have moved onto another topic <bg>

Cathy says:
I just think they have lost sight of Gene's dream.

Trish says:
Beth, want my 25 cents worth?

Cathy says:
::hands Trish a quarter::

Kooky says:
But was Gene's dream sustainable?

Host Beth says:
Sure...I'm saving for another horse :)

Trish says:
Who are we to say they moved away?  Gene moved with the times

Cathy says:
It was idealistic but that was what made it "the future".

Trish says:
he addressed issues that were happening in our time, but put them in the future

Host Beth says:
true

Trish says:
hopefully showing us a way to solve our present day issues

Host Beth says:
Do you think that they have moved away from that though?  I haven't seen too many episodes dealing with terrorism...or anything else that's happening...

Cathy says:
Send a sexy blonde in a catsuit to the Whitehouse? ;p

Trish says:
what do you think the Borg represent?  if that isn't terrorism, what do you call it?

Kooky says:
Maybe they thought that terrorism was too sensitive an issue at present ...

Cathy says:
A lot of shows are avoiding those issues now.

KevNash says:
true, but the seek out and explore sort of got stunted in the later movies.

Cathy says:
Terrorism is a fact of life. We have to learn to deal with it.

Cathy says:
That's true, Scott.

Kooky says:
What about the Dominion?

Cathy says:
Voyager was more get the heck out of dodge and get back home.

Trish says:
remember with movies, you have a limited time to explore unlike a series

Host Beth says:
Well the Borg are probably the closest....the Dominion was more divide and conquer type...terrorism is annialate anyone that doesn't look, think and/or act like you

Kooky says:
Voyager was also about exploration ... they literally went "somewhere that no-one has gone before" ...

Cathy says:
::sighs:: That show had so much potential.

Trish says:
and movies ARE to make money

Cathy says:
And the movies are doing worse and worse.

Trish says:
yes it did, and they let 7 of 9 take over the series

Host Beth says:
The thing is...Gene never avoided issues....he wrote them to reflect controversies of the day...

Trish says:
that is one let down... I was disappointed with how they handled voyager

Trish says:
and DS 9 after Dax left just wasn't the same

Cathy says:
I have seen all the movies, read all of the books, and watched most of the shows. But I did not see the last movie. Voyager has kind of turned me off the whole thing.

Kooky says:
I can't comment cause I haven't seen the later eps of DS9 or Voyager ...

Trish says:
Cathy the last movie was interesting, but to me not the best of the bunch

KevNash says:
I thought DS9 was getting back in the seek out and discovery, but then the series turned into the dominion war. And ended.

Cathy says:
::nods:: It just didn't manage to grab my attnetion this time.

Trish says:
what they did was generate interest in finding out about Data

Host Beth says:
The storylines are good for the movies but the scripts are terrible....I feel like I'm weatching a made for TV movie...

Kooky says:
I still haven't seen Nemesis ..

Trish says:
they copied the TOS movies and what happened to Spock

KevNash says:
Good point Trish.

Cathy says:
Me niether, Sandy. I opetd for LOR:TT instead.

Kooky says:
Haven't seen that either :)

Host Beth says:
Plus...I hate to say this...but the TNG actors are just too darn old...worn out...we need fresh blood for the movies...people we've never seen before..

Trish says:
at least the academy awards recognized LOTR with some oscars

Kooky says:
Maybe they should set one in the Romulan Wars or something ...

Cathy says:
Hmmm..no coment. They deserved more.

Trish says:
I wish they would have an academy series...

Host Beth says:
I still don't know why Star Trek never explored the Academy?

Host Beth says:
Hehe...GMTA Trish :)

Trish says:
LOLOL

Cathy says:
They aren't hiring younger actors either. Just how old is Bakula anyway?

KevNash says:
Yeah. I liked the cast of DS9. You had seasoned actor playing the lead, but then you had a lot of fresh faces. Made it interesting.

Trish says:
in his 40;s I would think Cathy

Kooky says:
Somehow I don't think a young Captain would work ...

Host Beth says:
Bakula's gotta be older than that?  Don't you think?  Pushing 50?

Cathy says:
49

Cathy says:
Or will be this year.

Trish says:
hey! watch that pushoing bit!

Kooky says:
LOL

KevNash says:
I'm sorry, but I don't like the throwback series. It's got too futuristic of a ship for the time frame.

Trish says:
I slid past it many years ago!  <G>

Cathy says:
They need to start them younger so they don't look worn out by the time they make movies!

Host Beth says:
Kooky: I would like to see Sulu as the Academy Instructor taking the cadets out for their training voyage...

Host Beth says:
Hehe Trish....I've got a few more years to go :)

KevNash says:
Like the Starfleet Academy game.

Trish says:
or Janeway as an instructor

Host Beth says:
Ooooo...that's good..Janeway

Trish says:
guest appearance even

Trish says:
there is so much that could be done with an academy series!

Host Beth says:
Although Kate Mulgrew said she wouldn't do another series of anything until her kids are grown...

Kooky says:
How about Barclay doing instruction at the Academy <G>

Cathy says:
I'd like to see the other set of books made into a series.

Host Beth says:
I like Barclay

Trish says:
wow! now that would be hilarious Sandy!

Kooky says:
I agree!

Cathy says:
Mackenzie Calhoun has potential.

KevNash says:
I'd like to see Ezri or Worf

Trish says:
those would be good as well

Trish says:
would love to see Odo again!

KevNash says:
Maybe even Nog

Host Beth says:
How about a Star Trek reunion movie get everybody involved!

Host Beth says:
<g>

Trish says:
the logistics would be terrible and the cost out of sight

KevNash says:
Would be nice, but something would be missing. God rest Bones.

Trish says:
yes... wouldn't be the same without McCoy

Kooky says:
And I understand that James Doohan is very ill ...

Host Beth says:
And better do it before Scotty kicks the bucket...

Trish  (McCoy - I am Leonard McCoy senior medical officer aboard the USS Enterprise.wav)

Trish  (McCoy - That green blooded SOB.wav)

KevNash says:
heeee!

Trish says:
I got lots of them!
Ko
oky says:
::sniffs::

Trish  (McCoy - As strange as it may seem, you are in command now Mr Spock.wav)

Trish  (Scotty - Let's go find George and Gracie.wav)

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Kooky says:
Something tells me Trish has been recording from the movies ... <BG>

Host Beth says:
Hehe

Trish says:
who me?  I only have 1600 megs or so of wavs <G>

Trish  (Scotty- He's in a wee be of a snit isn't he.wav)

Kooky says:
is that all?

Trish says:
yup, haven't been out to the sights lately

KevNash says:
The academy sparked an idea. How about going back to the schooling thing. Training the cadets in all forms of studies. And have the stars from the series as instructors.

Host Beth says:
Jeepers Trish..whatta wimpy collection <bg>

Trish says:
yeah I know... I have been sluffing off! ::giggles::

Trish  (Scotty - Up your shaft.wav)

Kooky says:
Trish: You have about 1600 megs more than I do :)

Trish says:
LOLOL

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Trish  (Kirk - Double dumbass on you.wav)

Trish says:
can you tell I liked ST IV?

Host Beth says:
No not at all

Kooky says:
hee ... well it was the best movie ...

Trish  (Kirk - Everybody not going to Earth had better get off.wav)

Trish says:
of all of them Sandy

Trish  (Kirk - A guess, you Spock, that's extraordinary.wav)

Trish  (Kirk - All I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by.wav)

Trish says:
geez, did I stop all conversation?

Kooky says:
yup

Trish says:
oops, sorry!  ::blushes::

Host Beth says:
Okay guys..I need help here..I'm trying to think of a really good controversial topic for next weeks chat

Kooky says:
hee

Trish says:
::raises hand::

Host Beth says:
no worrues Trish...we were busy listening to the Best Of ST:IV :)

Kooky says:
How about revisiting the logs issue ..

Trish says:
Kill the sucker in Iraq and lets party! hehehe

Host Beth says:
I could, Kooky :)

Host Beth says:
I wish Trish..except I swore to stay away from politics and religion :)

Kooky says:
The last chat was certainly interesting ...

Trish says:
me too... but sometimes my mouth overloads my canary a**

Host Beth says:
:)

Cathy says:
Religion gets dangerous around here.

Trish says:
hey, I am for whatever religion you want to have or not have

Host Beth says:
How about:  Should Star Trek be retired?

KevNash says:
I just wonder if what is going on right now is something akin to the Euginics idea that was 
expressed in Space Seed and the Wrath of Khan?

Trish says:
it could be viewed that way certainly... it sure isn't a big stretch of the imagination

Trish says:
I can't imagine life without ST, Beth

Cathy says:
Or is Star Trek outdated? <G>

Host Beth says:
That's what I meant Cathy...:)

Trish says:
Or should ST return to seek out new life

Host Beth says:
Or how about: Has Star Trek lost it's originality?

KevNash says:
If Star Trek is retired, where would the generations turn for hope at the world to come?

Cathy says:
Spoken like a true Trek fan.

Host Beth says:
Ooo...Has Star Trek become boring?

Host Beth says:
boring and stale?

Kooky says:
Oh no! Not the "B" word!

Cathy says:
There are billions out there who believe that Trek is stupid.  And we're wackos. ;p

Trish says:
another good one would be, has ST become too high tech?

Cathy says:
I like that one.

Host Beth says:
Which one cathy..the boring and stale or the high tech?

Trish says:
it seems stories sorta go by the wayside for special effects etc

Cathy says:
How about "Should Rick Berman be fired"?

Cathy says:
The boring one.

KevNash says:
Or have we outgrown Star Trek's ideals?

Trish says:
God I hope not Scott

Cathy says:
Although, I think Enetreprise has gone low tec.

Trish says:
it has to be Cathy

Host Beth says:
Yeah...I think the movies have gone too high tech

Trish says:
we got most of what we had from other cultures in the beginning

Host Beth says:
Okay...I'll see what happenes with the Has Star Trek become boring and stale?

Host Beth says:
Hopefully that will bring people in again :)

Kooky says:
If it wasn't for ST, both past and present, none of us would be here ...

Trish says:
I wonder how much input Majel still has with the movies?

Host Beth says:
Dunno...

Trish says:
Beth, trivia doesn't draw many folks either

Cathy says:
Topics about ACTD seem to bring them all in. :)

Trish says:
the weekend nights are for folks to go out and play

Kooky says:
Trish just gets her regular clientelle in Trivia :)

Trish says:
yup <G>

Cathy says:
That's cause some of us stink at trivia.

Trish says:
ooooouuuuuuuuu I have to get some questions ready...

Kooky says:
uh oh ....

Cathy says:
I think Trish should do an all-star trivia.

Trish says:
all-star?

Host Beth says:
Trish: yeah I know, unfortunately it's too early for me on Sat. ...and Cathy I'll be throwing those topics in but I don't want this to turn into a bitch session against ACTD..but they will be there..

Cathy says:
Yeah, as in the getting the big wigs in to see who knows all. :)

Trish says:
James came one night but didn't stay long

Host Beth says:
Trish: An SM Trivia contest <eg>

Kooky says:
That could be interesting ... :)

Cathy says:
He's a chicken.

Trish says:
LOLOL

Cathy says:
Always has been <G>

Host Beth says:
get all the SM's to play...I'd MAKE time to watch that one <eg>

Trish says:
now that would be something Beth... SM trivia

Cathy says:
This SM will opt to hand Trish the stars.

Kooky says:
lol ... ::whispers all the answers to cathy::

Host Beth says:
Well folks...it's been a long day for me...I have to close now.  Thanks for showing up and participating tonight!