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Topic:  Are the ship designs depicted in Science Fiction practical or just for show?  

Stardate 10302.14

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Host Beth says:
************************Are the ship designs depicted in Science Fiction practical or just for show?  *****************

Host Beth says:
The topic tonight is: Are the ship designs depicted in Science Fiction practical or just for show?

Gilles says:
::shuts up::  :-)

JP says:
::ties Gilles shoelaces together::

Host Beth says:
Take it away....whoever wants to start.  And FYI: This is for ALL sci-fi shows..not just Star Trek...

Mauro says:
even star wars?  <G>

Kooky says:
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Host Beth says:
Sure...why not... let's be brave and go for it :)

Pam says:
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Mauro says:
lol

Sy says:
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Sy says:
Hey all

SM_Tech13 says:
Hey Gang !

Sy says:
::waves at Gilles::

Kooky says:
Hey Phil

Mauro says:
hey Phil

Gilles says:
Welll.....   warp drive is the hardest part....  someone has to make that first :-)

Gilles says:
For real that is

Host Beth says:
Hey everyone...join in...

Pam says:
Trek ships are designed with specs and all so they do all have some things in common which are practical

Sy says:
Hey JP

JP says:
Hello

Host Beth says:
For those that came in late..this is for all sci-fu shows and movies..not just Trek...

JP says:
:)

Host Beth says:
sci-fi show also

SM_Tech13 says:
Where we at in this discussion?

Mauro says:
oops, gotta go

Kooky says:
It hasn't really started yet :)

Host Beth says:
Just starting Phil

Pam says:
Their designs are not as outrageous as some other sci-fi ships

Mauro says:
police has come

SM_Tech13 says:
I know ship design is the topic

Mauro says:
night all

Pam says:
police?

JP says:
I think that the Star Wars ships are a little unrealistic and too small (The fighter ships).  They are too much like planes.

Pam says:
but plane type signs are more realistic

Pam says:
designs

JP says:
i suppose

JP says:
but it's not futuristic

SM_Tech13 says:
And they appear to use liquid fuel

Pam says:
some are

SM_Tech13 says:
They wouldn't be able to carry enough

Kooky says:
Depends on the fuel economy ... they might be able to travel 1000 LY per gallon or something ...

SM_Tech13 says:
Writers make anything possible

Host Beth says:
What about the tendency to make the ships aerodynamic...fairly redundent wouldn't you say?

SM_Tech13 says:
Most SCi Fi ships have some of their design based on current technology

SM_Tech13 says:
I would have to agree with that Beth

Gilles says:
I'm thinking more realistic stuff would be Khan's "sleeper" ship in Star Trek TOS

Pam says:
Except for a small plane type ship, it would be unrealistic to even picture building a galaxy class in spacedock. At least for the forseeable future, small shuttle size ships would be more likely

Sy says:
I really liked the new Enterprised that they showed in the movie, but it seems to me that the deflector dish is a bit to low... effience would seem to demand that it be closer to the center

Sy says:
::stole that from a friend::

Sy says:
::as she really hasn't a clue about ship designs::

Kooky says:
But who knows, especially if faster than light travel is invented ... or even possible for that matter ...

Pam says:
Even in outer space ships would have to be aerodynamic.

Sy says:
why Pam?

Pam says:
They do encounter space anomalies.....

SM_Tech13 says:
No friction in space

Kooky says:
And there are solar winds ... it would need to have some kind of resistance to wind

SM_Tech13 says:
Solars winds are light waves

Pam says:
they would have be maneuverable enough to avoid things so their shape could make that easier.

SM_Tech13 says:
I think propulsion type will determine overall shape of the craft

JP says:
yeah cause the nacelles on a ST Starship are positioned the way they are for the warp drive

SM_Tech13 says:
A vessal built strictly for interplanetary flight

SM_Tech13 says:
oops

SM_Tech13 says:
would be completly different from anything we've seen

Sy says:
I think the best ship design in all of sci-fi was the one from "Flight of the Navagator" (sp?)

SM_Tech13 says:
I liked the troop transports from "Space Above and Beyond"

Dawn says:
I like that myself

Schmacker says:
I think the earth ships from B5 are pretty realistic, at least for teh way they move

Host Beth says:
What about the ship in Alien?  The cargo transport....do you think that was more practical or just for design?

Gilles says:
On the Cable channels there have been ideas about what "real" future ships would look like.... it's not even close

CIV_Tlatoani says:
i think they try to make outlandish designs, just to make it seem "futuristic"

SM_Tech13 says:
They don't give any hints on propulsion

Pam says:
interplanetary ships would have to be large that for sure. Even with a warp capable system.

Host Beth says:
Well let's take a ship that everyone knows about...the Galaxy class.  How practical is that design?

Gilles says:
What I would LOVE to see  is something that can fly to another galaxy.... how do you build something to travel farther that even ST ships can go?

SM_Tech13 says:
Too large and extravagant, From our current

SM_Tech13 says:
monitary controlled world

SM_Tech13 says:
::Smacks key board::

Dawn says:
<Phil's keyboard>  ::smacks Phil back::

Host Beth says:
Let's take today's political and monetary issues out of the picture and just focus on the ship itself.  The saucer section...is that a practical use of space?

SM_Tech13 says:
I would say so, most every inch is functional

Gilles says:
Depends if they can really invent inertial dampening

Kooky says:
And structural integrity ... such speeds would crush a ship to about an inch thick ...

Gilles says:
::nods::

Host Beth says:
But why a saucer?  Why not a cube like the Borg?  Much more room...with a cube in the front.

CIV_Tlatoani says:
cause the cube is evil....plus it's not aerodynamic ::shrugs::

SM_Tech13 says:
That was because of shield configuration or something wasn't it

Gilles says:
LOL

Pam says:
strickly for the look of it. We tend to like smooth round soft designs I think

SM_Tech13 says:
Easier to deflect micro meteors

Kooky says:
I like the Klingon design ...

Gilles says:
Blame the designers... they like  "cool" stuff  :-)

CIV_Tlatoani says:
maybe the round soft design makes it look "nice"?

Pam says:
well you decide

Pam says:
which do you prefer?

SM_Tech13 says:
I think they are very far from what would be realistic

SM_Tech13 says:
They were designed for TV and movie fans

Host Beth says:
So are you guys saying  that they created an appealling look first and then justified it with practical issues?

CIV_Tlatoani says:
yeah maybe

Gilles says:
Of course... "Cool" first....    the science later :-)

SM_Tech13 says:
YES

Kooky says:
I think anything could be possible ... especially as half the technology they use hasn't even been invented yet ...

Host Beth says:
Well describe how you would have designed a ship...say the size of a galaxy class...

Host Beth says:
This is for everyone here BTW :)

SM_Tech13 says:
Yeaheveryone

Pam says:
Hey I'm an SM not an engineer....lol

Kooky says:
I'm an XO not an Engineer ...

Gilles says:
I'm a nut

Kooky says:
We already know that, Gilles <j/k>

SM_Tech13 says:
A modular design  I think

Host Beth says:
Awww...come on guys...you mean to tell me that you have never looked at a ship in a sci-fi show or movie and said : Sheesh that looks cheesy...I can design something better than that...

Kooky says:
nope ... I'm not that imaginative ...

Sy says:
nope

Pam says:
I watch the shows to look at the cute guys,

Sy says:
hehe

Pam says:
I'm not dead ya know.

Host Beth says:
Shhhhhh Pam...you aren't supposed to say that out loud when there are guys on the room ;)

CIV_Tlatoani says:
sometimes i do, until I see a cute guy

Sy says:
I look at them and say... oooo sweeeeeeetttt

Pam says:
cover you eyes men

Pam says:
your

Kooky says:
LOL

Host Beth says:
Hee....All right..back to the topic... Phil: You said modular?  Like HAL in 2001?

Sy says:
Oh I was referring to the ships there BTW ;)

SM_Tech13 says:
Something like that

Gilles says:
::moans::   Just NO HAL !!!

CIV_Tlatoani says:
not hal!!

SM_Tech13 says:
Propulsion module, habitat, etc..

Host Beth says:
'Will I dream?' <eg>

SM_Tech13 says:
Bigger ship just put more modules together

Host Beth says:
Like super huge LEGOs ( I love LEGOs)

SM_Tech13 says:
Survivability would be greater in an emergency I would think

Gilles says:
Hmmm... good plan Phil

SM_Tech13 says:
Legos are cool

Host Beth says:
That sounds good Phil...sort of like what they are doing with the space station?

CIV_Tlatoani says:
ooo i loove legos

SM_Tech13 says:
Yes

SM_Tech13 says:
Why isn't the ISS aero dynamic?

Kooky says:
Cause it doesn't have to fly anywhere ... it just stays in orbit ...

Host Beth says:
Because it was never meant to go through an atmosphere

SM_Tech13 says:
It's moving at 27,000mph

Dawn says:
::having trouble staying wake, loooong day today::  Night Folks ttyl

Host Beth says:
But it is moving in a vacuum....

SM_Tech13 says:
I really think our current designs are quite good considering  we',ve only been able to fly for the last 100 years

Gilles says:
I want to know where all the toilets are on the specs....

Pam says:
lol

Host Beth says:
they don't have any...they just explode when they turn 50 <bg>

SM_Tech13 says:
I thought it would be sooner

Host Beth says:
Phil: Training and evolution expanded the timeline...

Gilles says:
I'm off everyone

Sy says:
night

Host Beth says:
night Gilles....thanks for coming :)

Gilles says:
:-)

Pam says:
night Gilles

Gilles says:
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Gilles says:
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Host Beth says:
Actually folks it's almost 7 anyways...why don't we call it a night and I'll see about some topics that everyone can discuss :)

SM_Tech13 says:
Just had a vision of Picard and Riker standing at urinals.."Hello Capt. " ::Burrrrrrrp::

Pam says:
lol

Sy says:
hehe

Host Beth says:
lol

SM_Tech13 says:
Thanks for your time Beth

Pam says:
the pros and cons of having married officers on the same ship

Pam says:
lol

Host Beth says:
"Number One...seems that you are at half mast. "  ;)

SM_Tech13 says:
LOL

Pam says:
well night all

Sy says:
night Pam

SM_Tech13 says:
Night Pam

SM_Tech13 says:
Favorite Star trek movie scene

Host Beth says:
Wel thank you for coming everyone :)

Host Beth says:
That's a good one Phil...

SM_Tech13 says:
I'll keep thinking

Host Beth says:
Or just how about Favorite Star Trek movie?

SM_Tech13 says:
And then go for scence during that topic

SM_Tech13 says:
scene even

Host Beth says:
I am sooo tempted to have a topic like: Who could kick butt more...Kirk or Archer <bg>

Sy says:
oh man... your going to finally make me watch those TOS movies ain't you?

SM_Tech13 says:
Of course

SM_Tech13 says:
Probally get a big turnout

Host Beth says:
How about who would win in Klingon vs Cardassian hand to hand combat?

SM_Tech13 says:
Where will space flight be in 100 more years/
SM_Tech13 says:
?

Host Beth says:
Bye :)